I am trying to review Nutyx and write an excuse of why it is dropped from the list of linux without systemd in sysdfree.wordpress.com and it is a sad story, I thought I'd share.
First they struggled with consolekit2 then tried to use systemd outright for its use of logind, and failed, then used elogind and libraries, as most of everyone else, and they succeeded. So they called consolekit2 obsolete and adopted elogind. Then they realized they could have multiple init/svc-management on top of their sysvinit. So they forked runit and called it runyx, I don't see whether they actually changed anything other than the name, and added the entire systemd. Their live iso still starts and boots with sysvinit, and on the installation all 3 of those systems can coexist, and then through modifications of grub you can boot either of those systems.
They have gone to the extreme to shoe horn elogind everywhere, it is mind boggling. Software than even on debian, or arch, and probably RHat's own, don't need elogind, on Nutyx now they will not start without it. What for? So some funky menus can work in a funky Nutyx way. For example to start pcmanfm in openbox and be able to open it with user or root they have elogind. Pcmanfm will not run without it active.
Nuts, no Nutyx.
It is as if everyone is trying to make Linux look like MSwin and for every-user to be totally clueless of what the system is. Just automated menus and clicky things. So someone who is clueless can open a filemanager as root and just remove intentionally or unintentionally parts of the system. Like if they are pointing at /usr and their stapler falls right on the delete button, .... there goes the system! Even some terminals are locked with elogind, because menus in Nutyx want you to pick if you want to open a user or a root terminal.
But they are using busybox, I guess to save space. It takes 5-6GB for a minimal openbox installation without even a browser. Busybox was designer so you can shoehorn a minimal system into a micro-device, linux in a stick/chip, not for an Ubuntu type of system.
There is Ubuntu, Mint, Manjaro, for people who don't care about how the system runs. Why is everyone else trying to make their distro be like another Ubuntu or Windows10? There is very little left in linux that is sensible for people who either know, or are learning, or are trying really hard to learn. What is there to learn in Ubuntu, where menu items are hidden?
The problem I think is not what IBM/RH is producing and taking over linux, but what the overwhelming majority of distro designers are doing with the trojan horses IBM is pushing.
ZFS has been forked into OpenZFS with alternative licensing, systemd functionality has been incorporated into zfs (so it is going from file-system to the gui that shows you the weather forecast on a desktop panel) and facebook's zstd is also incorporated with specific functionality into this filesystem. The contributors for this invasion, 2 guys from livermore, a US government agency.
I don't know, maybe it is just me, getting old and grouchy, but this is enough to blow your mind the more you wonder around and look at how choices are made. Instead of the list getting longer it is getting smaller.
I have had my oldest system (evolved from Debian 7) based on Antix/Debian sid/unstable. A Xorg bundle came through, and startx doesn't work. I check for errors and it is not running X because dbus is not running. So I start dbus and PLOP it comes on. I kill dbus from terminal it stays up and everything I have and use is fully functional. But dbus is now a hard dependency. Not antix fault but debian's. Ubuntu Wayland Gnome crap runs fine, just don't try to switch into a TTY, there are none! If your guy gets screwed then you are screwed, no way out.
First they struggled with consolekit2 then tried to use systemd outright for its use of logind, and failed, then used elogind and libraries, as most of everyone else, and they succeeded. So they called consolekit2 obsolete and adopted elogind. Then they realized they could have multiple init/svc-management on top of their sysvinit. So they forked runit and called it runyx, I don't see whether they actually changed anything other than the name, and added the entire systemd. Their live iso still starts and boots with sysvinit, and on the installation all 3 of those systems can coexist, and then through modifications of grub you can boot either of those systems.
They have gone to the extreme to shoe horn elogind everywhere, it is mind boggling. Software than even on debian, or arch, and probably RHat's own, don't need elogind, on Nutyx now they will not start without it. What for? So some funky menus can work in a funky Nutyx way. For example to start pcmanfm in openbox and be able to open it with user or root they have elogind. Pcmanfm will not run without it active.
Nuts, no Nutyx.
It is as if everyone is trying to make Linux look like MSwin and for every-user to be totally clueless of what the system is. Just automated menus and clicky things. So someone who is clueless can open a filemanager as root and just remove intentionally or unintentionally parts of the system. Like if they are pointing at /usr and their stapler falls right on the delete button, .... there goes the system! Even some terminals are locked with elogind, because menus in Nutyx want you to pick if you want to open a user or a root terminal.
But they are using busybox, I guess to save space. It takes 5-6GB for a minimal openbox installation without even a browser. Busybox was designer so you can shoehorn a minimal system into a micro-device, linux in a stick/chip, not for an Ubuntu type of system.
There is Ubuntu, Mint, Manjaro, for people who don't care about how the system runs. Why is everyone else trying to make their distro be like another Ubuntu or Windows10? There is very little left in linux that is sensible for people who either know, or are learning, or are trying really hard to learn. What is there to learn in Ubuntu, where menu items are hidden?
The problem I think is not what IBM/RH is producing and taking over linux, but what the overwhelming majority of distro designers are doing with the trojan horses IBM is pushing.
ZFS has been forked into OpenZFS with alternative licensing, systemd functionality has been incorporated into zfs (so it is going from file-system to the gui that shows you the weather forecast on a desktop panel) and facebook's zstd is also incorporated with specific functionality into this filesystem. The contributors for this invasion, 2 guys from livermore, a US government agency.
I don't know, maybe it is just me, getting old and grouchy, but this is enough to blow your mind the more you wonder around and look at how choices are made. Instead of the list getting longer it is getting smaller.
I have had my oldest system (evolved from Debian 7) based on Antix/Debian sid/unstable. A Xorg bundle came through, and startx doesn't work. I check for errors and it is not running X because dbus is not running. So I start dbus and PLOP it comes on. I kill dbus from terminal it stays up and everything I have and use is fully functional. But dbus is now a hard dependency. Not antix fault but debian's. Ubuntu Wayland Gnome crap runs fine, just don't try to switch into a TTY, there are none! If your guy gets screwed then you are screwed, no way out.