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Like every morning I'm taking the web temperature and this morning on sysdfree.wordpress.com website I read a new post written by sysdfree-editor about Obarun. I quote the post here to answer it point by point, the source of this post can be read following this link https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/09/02/350/# comment-9554
Two points that I wish to underline here. The first one is that there is no Obarun user I know with a pseudonym "sysdfree-editor" which means in other words that anyone could post on sysdfree.wordpress.com website pretending be an Obarun user with the aim of destroying our work, our reputation. The second one is the date the post was sent, and that matters in the replies I'm going to give.
I also took the thing seriously enough to quickly offer an alternative without the Telemetry and the result of this work is now available on Obarun's repository to KDE users, with a new post https://forum.obarun.org/viewtopic.php?id=1500
Sir sysdfree-editor, you are not a prisoner of Obarun distro, you are free to leave the ship now, free to build your own distro or see if the grass is greener elsewhere, and on this last point I will talk about it later in my last answer.
This is what the game consists of:
From the last updated list of fourteen distribution without elogind and systemd, available here https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/08/15/333/ we will classify these distributions using new criteria that I will list below. After which at the end I will compare them with Obarun.
1) The list of distribution I'm going to use and compare at the end with Obarun
Kiss linux
Kwort linux
Sabotage linux
Oasis linux
Zandra linux
Mutiny linux
Glaucus linux
Mere linux
Iglunix linux
Chimera linux
Carbs linux
Gobo linux
Venom linux
2) The list of criteria. We will measure here the independence and transparency of each distribution offered to the end users. Each criteria which is not valided disqualifies instantly the distribution and does not give it the right to move on to the next criteria. Each fully criteria passed gives a +1 point otherwise a +0.5 point to the distribution. This is a draft, excuse me if everything is not perfect, if you have any suggestions to improve all this, I'm listenning. I may also have made some errors in my searches, please correct me if this is the case.
- Criteria 1) Repository used by the distro
a) Github or not available -> Disqualified
b) Gitlab -> Tolerable
c) Gitlab hosted / Git hosted -> Perfect
- Criteria 2) Availability of package sources and build logs
a) Neither of the two -> Disqualified
b) Package Sources only -> Acceptable
c) Both available -> Perfect
- Criteria 3) Telemetry in the packages
a) Built-in ON or Unknown -> Disqualified
b) Built-in OFF -> Acceptable
c) No Telemetry in source code -> Perfect
- Criteria 4) Softwares used to connect with users
*) Google / Facebook / Twitter / Discord / Reddit -> Disqualified
*) IRC -> Acceptable
*) XMPP Hosted -> Perfect
Let's start!
Kiss linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/kisslinux/repo )
DISQUALIFIED
Kwort linux
* Repository = Not available ( I express doubt, but right now I'm not able to find any repo )
DISQUALIFIED
Sabotage linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/sabotage-linux )
DISQUALIFIED
Oasis linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/oasislinux )
DISQUALIFIED
Zandra linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( http://git.zandra.org/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Package Sources only +0.5
* Connecting with users = Discord ( https://discord.gg/S7WCSZa3Qd )
DISQUALIFIED
Mutiny linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( https://git.mutiny.red/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Package Sources only +0.5
* Telemetry = Unknown
DISQUALIFIED
Glaucus linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/glaucuslinux )
DISQUALIFIED
Mere linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/jhuntwork/merelinux )
DISQUALIFIED
Iglunix linux
* Repository = Github ( ttps://github.com/iglunix )
DISQUALIFIED
Chimera linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/chimera-linux )
DISQUALIFIED
Carbs linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( https://git.carbslinux.org/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Package Sources only +0.5
* Telemetry = Unknown
DISQUALIFIED
Gobo linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/gobolinux/ )
DISQUALIFIED
Venom linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/venomlinux/ )
DISQUALIFIED
Obarun linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( https://git.obarun.org/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Both available ( https://git.obarun.org/pkg ) ( https://git.obarun.org/pkg/obextra/dolphin/-/jobs/1064 as an example here ) +1
* Telemetry = Built-in OFF ( can be verified for each package from the pipeline logs ) +1
* Connecting with users = XMPP Hosted +1 ( However I want to be honest with you, if it was up to me there would be no link to youtube, twitter, Reddit ) so,
DISQUALIFIED
but I would say that it is the distribution which is near to be 100% independent and is 100% transparent for the end users. With +4 points Obarun ranks first on top of the podium.
So sir sysdfree-editor, you can build your own distro or even brag Void linux, which is in any way disqualified by their repository on Github, but one thing is clear without any doubt, you know what you are going to leave.
Sincerely
Jean-Michel
Two points that I wish to underline here. The first one is that there is no Obarun user I know with a pseudonym "sysdfree-editor" which means in other words that anyone could post on sysdfree.wordpress.com website pretending be an Obarun user with the aim of destroying our work, our reputation. The second one is the date the post was sent, and that matters in the replies I'm going to give.
Now I'm going to respond to each of these allegations and even better I would like in my last answer to make you participate in a little game that came to my mind.
sysdfree-editor says:
20210923 at 0121
If Obarun doesn’t take action to denounce KDE-plasma for its telemetry and take it off its installer, I don’t think I will stick around much longer. Void, despite of their internal mess, they provide enough to stay healthy and the ability to reject all you don’t like. s6/66 works great on void and even greater on void-musl.
I’ve had enough of this naive hippy passivity with “what people like” in Obarun. There are times people need to get serious, put their feet down and their fists up and say, enough! Ya Basta!!!
OBARUN PROMOTES A DESKTOP THAT PROMOTES TELEMETRY IN LINUX
Kiss and Mere linux are my top two choices right now, but I am thinking about forking my own right now.
To realize how misleading these allegations are I have personally warned the users about Telemetry used in KDE, with a post in date of 2021-09-16 and here is the link to this post https://forum.obarun.org/viewtopic.php?id=1490If Obarun doesn’t take action to denounce KDE-plasma for its telemetry and take it off its installer, I don’t think I will stick around much longer.
I also took the thing seriously enough to quickly offer an alternative without the Telemetry and the result of this work is now available on Obarun's repository to KDE users, with a new post https://forum.obarun.org/viewtopic.php?id=1500
Sir sysdfree-editor, you are not a prisoner of Obarun distro, you are free to leave the ship now, free to build your own distro or see if the grass is greener elsewhere, and on this last point I will talk about it later in my last answer.
I really don't see what hippies has something to do with Obarun, and I sincerely think that your words lack that seriousness that you dare to claim. Also I didn't wait to you to realize how much Free Software is in the process of being destroyed from the inside, I already spoke about it, I have already explained what will happen to GNU and Linux, but if it can makes you feel better and happy Sir sysdfree-editor; "Enough!" Here it is, it's done...specially for you.I’ve had enough of this naive hippy passivity with “what people like” in Obarun. There are times people need to get serious, put their feet down and their fists up and say, enough! Ya Basta!!!
THIS is the reason why I decided to use of my right of reply. This allegation is a pure lie built only from your mind. Obarun doesn't promote Telemetry in Linux, in a contrary and I have provided proof of this in my previous answers with links.OBARUN PROMOTES A DESKTOP THAT PROMOTES TELEMETRY IN LINUX
So now is the time for our little game, I promise you it's going to be funny.Kiss and Mere linux are my top two choices right now, but I am thinking about forking my own right now.
This is what the game consists of:
From the last updated list of fourteen distribution without elogind and systemd, available here https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/08/15/333/ we will classify these distributions using new criteria that I will list below. After which at the end I will compare them with Obarun.
1) The list of distribution I'm going to use and compare at the end with Obarun
Kiss linux
Kwort linux
Sabotage linux
Oasis linux
Zandra linux
Mutiny linux
Glaucus linux
Mere linux
Iglunix linux
Chimera linux
Carbs linux
Gobo linux
Venom linux
2) The list of criteria. We will measure here the independence and transparency of each distribution offered to the end users. Each criteria which is not valided disqualifies instantly the distribution and does not give it the right to move on to the next criteria. Each fully criteria passed gives a +1 point otherwise a +0.5 point to the distribution. This is a draft, excuse me if everything is not perfect, if you have any suggestions to improve all this, I'm listenning. I may also have made some errors in my searches, please correct me if this is the case.
- Criteria 1) Repository used by the distro
a) Github or not available -> Disqualified
b) Gitlab -> Tolerable
c) Gitlab hosted / Git hosted -> Perfect
- Criteria 2) Availability of package sources and build logs
a) Neither of the two -> Disqualified
b) Package Sources only -> Acceptable
c) Both available -> Perfect
- Criteria 3) Telemetry in the packages
a) Built-in ON or Unknown -> Disqualified
b) Built-in OFF -> Acceptable
c) No Telemetry in source code -> Perfect
- Criteria 4) Softwares used to connect with users
*) Google / Facebook / Twitter / Discord / Reddit -> Disqualified
*) IRC -> Acceptable
*) XMPP Hosted -> Perfect
Let's start!
Kiss linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/kisslinux/repo )
DISQUALIFIED
Kwort linux
* Repository = Not available ( I express doubt, but right now I'm not able to find any repo )
DISQUALIFIED
Sabotage linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/sabotage-linux )
DISQUALIFIED
Oasis linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/oasislinux )
DISQUALIFIED
Zandra linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( http://git.zandra.org/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Package Sources only +0.5
* Connecting with users = Discord ( https://discord.gg/S7WCSZa3Qd )
DISQUALIFIED
Mutiny linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( https://git.mutiny.red/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Package Sources only +0.5
* Telemetry = Unknown
DISQUALIFIED
Glaucus linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/glaucuslinux )
DISQUALIFIED
Mere linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/jhuntwork/merelinux )
DISQUALIFIED
Iglunix linux
* Repository = Github ( ttps://github.com/iglunix )
DISQUALIFIED
Chimera linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/chimera-linux )
DISQUALIFIED
Carbs linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( https://git.carbslinux.org/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Package Sources only +0.5
* Telemetry = Unknown
DISQUALIFIED
Gobo linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/gobolinux/ )
DISQUALIFIED
Venom linux
* Repository = Github ( https://github.com/venomlinux/ )
DISQUALIFIED
Obarun linux
* Repository = Git Hosted ( https://git.obarun.org/ ) +1
* Package sources and build logs = Both available ( https://git.obarun.org/pkg ) ( https://git.obarun.org/pkg/obextra/dolphin/-/jobs/1064 as an example here ) +1
* Telemetry = Built-in OFF ( can be verified for each package from the pipeline logs ) +1
* Connecting with users = XMPP Hosted +1 ( However I want to be honest with you, if it was up to me there would be no link to youtube, twitter, Reddit ) so,
DISQUALIFIED
but I would say that it is the distribution which is near to be 100% independent and is 100% transparent for the end users. With +4 points Obarun ranks first on top of the podium.
So sir sysdfree-editor, you can build your own distro or even brag Void linux, which is in any way disqualified by their repository on Github, but one thing is clear without any doubt, you know what you are going to leave.
Sincerely
Jean-Michel