It might not be appropriate to put a question here but since there is.no general questions section on the forum so I thought may be I can voice out here.
Can we have a section about "general help about other nonsystemd distributions " on the forum please? It will be good to share knowledge and get help in that section.
I wanted to talk about this distro

https://fleshless.org/pages/spark.html

from this page

https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2019/03/09/135/

I have installed it according to the developer`s instructions ( rather have installed it countless times ) and always get stuck at one stage ( I am quoting it from an email I sent )
" I installed Spark Linux with XFCE desktop , switched to tty2 to login with startx and once on desktop my desktop is frozen with mouse placed at center frozen , no alt ctl del button will take me out of the desktop , only keeping power button pressed for long time will power off the laptop. I have been instaing Spark Linux for past two years ( almost 20 times ) and always get stuck at this stage."

Here is the desktop picture ( whole system always freeze this way immediately i login to DE by startx )

https://imgur.com/TTap20y

Here is Xorg log

https://nopaste.xyz/?94ccc6760b1366ad# qHDF7/zLoA94gMZ5flIdWTgGZh8bXfWg0N4D2yAHQto=

Would be great to have some help in solving this mystery for me

Thanks,
I need to correct this, till a day or two ago I had no clue there was another no-systemd arch based installation than the ones I had listed.

If you run: pacman -Sl obextra | grep xorg
You will see many X11 related packages that have been rebuilt to run without systemd and libraries. Spark hasn't done this because Spark doesn't seem to care about X running. If Obarun didn't have those X-pkgs rebuilt, X wouldn't run in Obarun either. Arch chooses to package those so it works with their init system.
So it is not a matter of whether Spark works or not but whether X window environment works in Spark. The answer is probably no. There may have a libsystemd-dummy package but as systemd (the hydra) reaches out with its claws and grabs more pieces of the desktop environment those pseudo systemd libraries are not enough.

Then there would be a question of what environment are you trying to have running in the system.

Why use sinit when S6 works? Last I remember your obarun installation worked. Spark is so radical and experimental the only Xorg related package they have is one that would help someone skilled to run X without udev. The only real alternatives, as far as I know, need a few years of development still. Eudev is just modified udev, by Gentoo if I am not mistaken.

I don't think it is a good idea to add other distro discussion in here if they don't have a forum/list of their own, and if they do why discuss their issues here?
fungalnet wroteLast I remember your obarun installation worked
My Obarun is up and running flawlessly , this Spark thing was just a quest and a challenge but you made it so clear that X is never going to work on it so I guess my quest is going to be over with it . I get bore with a "fixed" distribution so then I start working on something new ...there are two more in list to explore ...Parabola and hyperbola ...or perhaps something else....May be you would be in better position to suggest something else
fungalnet wroteI don't think it is a good idea to add other distro discussion in here if they don't have a forum/list of their own, and if they do why discuss their issues here?
Very true and agreed , would rather be better to discuss a distro which has a forum and some documentation

At one stage I managed to install and run PLD for a while but since its development is very slow and lacks support I quit it after a while
I and a big fan of a rolling release distributions and something which can be installed through a script or through chroot
I read a little about sinit to understand why one would use sinit. If your goal is to have an init with a minimum amount of lines of code for the init, I think it is best in the world. If you have any other goals than this I think you will find many deficiencies. It appears to me that any little thing that may go wrong it trips this system to shutdown rather than fix itself. It is like a ball made of bubblegum. S6 by comparison is a mountain made of diamond.

You can try Void if you like, but in the long run you will be back or miss obarun.

PS This was written many years ago and I believe at the time he didn't know that much about s6, and 66 wasn't around then. The rest pretty much have stayed the same.
http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/features_and_benefits.htm

Keep this site bookmarked if you want to learn more linux than you already know.
I have used Void times and again but it's software bank is tooo small , nothing can replace the sea of softwares available on arch including AUR . My next victim might become old Arch before systemd times , they have some AUR packages available for that , let's see how successful my next experiment is :)

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