Hail to yee all!

I write this topic to introduce myself, as a new member, which I will do soon. But first things first:

A. I'd like to salute *Éric's fantastic job to provide to the free community this fantastic tool that Obarun is and that allows us to:
  1. go on using Arch without systemd (for those of us who were already running Arch) or come to a systemd-free Arch (for those who were not yet running Arch previously) — there are other ways to run Arch without systemd (Artix being the main other one) but I can "feel" that Obarun is the most correct one;
  2. install Obarun from a live-session (afaik, it's a recent feature). Nonetheless! I would not have dared installing Obarun without this ISO;
  3. bring this fantastic tool that s6 seems to be — although I must admit I have not explored it yet. But, having followed a bit the forum threads and read the documentation before setting my choice on Obarun, it does seem quite a good tool.
* I have some serious reasons to think Éric is French or, at least, French mother-tongued. In which case, Éric spells with a diacritic on the initial E, even if it's a capital, contrarily to what our ignorant teachers taught us at school. (Yes, I am a bit touchy on typography, and French typography is an art: it's precise and subtle. Just consider the rules of non-breaking spaces use.)

B. I'd like to salute Fungalnet for the fantastic job with the Wordpress systemd-free. (I've been following this not-as-much-a-blog-as-a-now-true-site for several years. But it's only recently that I posted my first few messages.) Fungalnet, that's thanks to you restlessly promoting the beauty of the "Obarun Way" (and thanks to Éric's documentation too) that I finally overcame my fears and installed Obarun on my main computer two months ago, setting as a symbolic act to start 2020 on Obarun.

C. I'd like to thank Jean-Michel (another Frenchie?) for his involvement and expertise and for his answers. Man, you really saved my day two weeks ago with your "patch" of dbus & polkit. Had I not found the answer to my issues in your post then, I was about to (Oba)run away, haha!

D. I'd like to say hello to anyone who lands on this page. We may have several things in common. And even if not: hail to thee!


Now, "please allow me to introduce myself", as Mick's lyrics go.

As for my 1st point, I am a bit part of both categories and a bit of none. (How is this possible?) Well, I had run several Arch-derivated but never installed a "vanilla" Arch so far. (Back in the days before systemd, I run ArchBang half a year and then Manjaro two years — if my memory serves me well, it was 2011-2014.) During this period, I wouldn't install vanilla Arch because I was a bit too afraid — and also not inclined enough to consume the time necessary to build down-up to get a system that works. More recently, I would not have cared to install Arch anyway because I don't see the point of installing one of the distros (if not the distro) that avant-garded the spreading of systemd. — I still remember it with sadness and anger: I was running Manjaro during the forced transition from sysV to systemd. Until then, Manjaro (Openbox flavour) had been a terrific distro, the almost perfect compromise of power, leightweightness and usability. Until Arch (and hence Manjaro) defaulted systemd, I had been a happy (end-)user during two years.

For, yes, although I completely migrated to Linux 12 years ago now, I am still what they call an END-USER. Just a few examples:

I DO NOT: sys-admin, run a site, run a blog, build distros, github, code anything, read any computer language, debug, bug-report, run anything in a virtual machine, irc, youtube a video, write distro reviews, get paid for it.

I have tried thrice to run a blog, on self-webhosted solutions (on blogspot, wordpress and tumblr) and it was already too much of a nuisance to me. Plus, I was not happy with the default (un)abilities to format text and images — I'm a perfectionist.

(Oh yes, I was about to forget: I DO NOT: CSS, html, Drupal, & so on.)

(Sooo, if anyone here can suggest me an elegant solution of blogging or even micro-blogging, that suggestion will be much welcome! But do not suggest Facebook, please — even though it can be, indeed, used for micro-blogging.)

Before posting my very first comment on sysd-free two weeks ago, I had never posted anything anywhere (site or forum) FOSS-related. I had never posted anything anywhere anything-related — I do not facebook, diaspora or reddit either. And my first post in this forum was to thank Jean-Michel.

Several of my friends say that I'm a man from the 18th Century. Some others say 17th. I was even told 16th (I'm a reader of Étienne de La Boétie).

And YET, it's been 12 years I managed to never use Microsoft crapware anymore. (I do not need to emulate it either because I do not game.) And YET, although I once had a Macbook running Snow Leopard (one year approximately) because someone gave it to me just in case I could get something out of it (its OS X was so diseased it could not launch any application, so much for Mac's reputation of being immune to threats), it's not precisely thanks to Apple that I got free from the Microsoft de facto monopoly. (Anyway, escape from one jail for another? No, thanks! But Snow Leo was a good system. But even so, I always thought the Finder was lacking some very basic features.) And YET, I have run Knoppix, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint, CrunchBang, ArchBang, Manjaro, MX, just to name a few. I also (very briefly) tried Bodhi, Semplice, TrueOS, GhostBSD, and NomadBSD. Played a bit with Haiku a few years ago (I can't wait they reach 1.0!) I tried Artix too, three years ago.

And YET, I have now two boxes running a non-systemd system: a 64-bit ThinkPad running Obarun for now two months and a 32-bit netbook running Void for a few days.

Despite I had no special interest for the computer or its OS when I started using them in 1994 (all I wanted was my MS-Word processor to work and its styles not to loose my italics), of course, I have had time since to get interested into the odyssey of computing, in particular Unices. I'm even getting a bit interested in the basic Unix commands I had not learned before all these years — thanks to Obarun "kiss" simplicity!


I've been verbose. A French writer of the 17th Century once wrote privately something that could translate: "Madam, please excuse this long letter, I lack time to make it brief."

What I have written so far does not help you to know anything essential about me.

I'll be brief, this time. At the beginning, I started using computers to write poetry, store my thoughts and print my own mini-books. (It doesn't say it all but it says much.) Now, I also use my boxes to sort my many photographs.
But my main areas of interest are Philosophy, Tao, Drama (which I teach), Tarot-reading and Dreams (hence my pseudonym).

Because, after several decades of writing, semiotics and acting, it appears clearly to me that dreaming is the core/kernel of all our symbolization and creative abilities. It's the matrix of any telling/taling. I started oneirocritics (the interpretation of dreams) on myself, as the "royal path" of self-knowledge. Since, I also came to interpret the dreams people can tell me (and I'm told I'm good at it.) I often use dreamings as a metaphor when teaching drama. It's powerful.

Dreaming is the hugest playwright that I know - and I've read and acted a few, including Shakespeare (both in French and English). And I reckon both as my deep conviction and as a FACT that a society is really civilized just so as much as it relates to dreaming, to dreams and to their meanings. (And I'm not speaking here about the "dream industry" that Hollywood pretends to be.) That's to say that a society where even inside the closed doors of the family, people do not count their night-dreams to their relatives in the morning… is quite a sick society. Isn't it?

So have good dreams. :) And try to remind them.

Regards!

Oneirosopher
By the way, Éric, if you read this, I often wondered if there was a link between the name "Obarun" and Oberon, the king of the fairies of the woods in Shakespeare's "A Mid-summer Night's Dream"?
Nice...

French is really cool language, i'd love to learn how to speak !!!
Perhaps the easiest way would be to go live in France :-)

Maybe one day it will happen... :-)
Hi Mounerje!

The easiest way: I don't know. The most efficient way: that's for sure.
You can also go to Quebec, Belgium, some parts of Switzerland and many countries of Africa.
You can also start with French singers & movies (Cinema: invented here! by the Lumière brothers -- which, in French, means "light", as opposed to darkness).
You can also catch a French mate... ;-)

What's your mother language, by the way?

See you around and keep on dreaming! :)
@ oneirosopher
Thanks for your encouragement and welcome here. It's a pleasure to count a philosopher in our community :).
Yes, french is my native language (not difficult to see that english isn't the first one :p).
No link between Obarun and Oberon words, see https://forum.obarun.org/viewtopic.php?id=1022

Also, do not hesitate to share your written on the forum at "talk about" section (https://forum.obarun.org/viewforum.php?id=10). Surely, this will be appreciated by some member of the community :)
Hey...

Well i was born in Poland, but i have been going to England very often and lived there for like 3 years... I have met lots of english people there, so i know how easy it is to catch up foreign language when time is spent with natives ;-P

I usually reside in Warwickshire Area, but recently i been bored there so i came back to where i was born... I have basically seen most of it, biked on bikecycle around Stratford Upon Avon (Where Shakespeare was born), Kenilworth, Coventry, Warwick, that area... And to be honest i can tell you there is not so much nice stuff in Stratford Upon Avon...
The path from Warwick to get there on bike is quite nice though.. It's just a road and there are only farms around... But recently they started to breed cows there and it's not so nice view to see 200 cows concentrated in small zone... I guess it's all because english love eat steaks so much...

Been in Birmingham many times, Banbury as well... It's not like there is anything new for me anymore i can go to... Well apart from London, i guess... Cuz it's quite close, one hour on train
This is why i am trying to find some way to go to even another country, i have got France and Norway in my head... I am not sure if Norway is good choice though...
I know that in france there are some companies that care about decentralising web. As i am European i really feel some urge to learn another European language... French is really good one.
I also heard that south France has lots of nice countryside... I always wanted to try some cheese from some french shop... They import them from France to english supermarkets but it's not the same...
Would be cool to go to France and taste some local food there ;P
Disaster!!! I've mistaken myself with a "false-friend"! Where I have written:
That's to say that a society where even inside the closed doors of the family, people do not count their night-dreams to their relatives in the morning… is quite a sick society.
what I meant is:

That's to say that a society where even inside the closed doors of the family, people do not narrate their night-dreams to their relatives in the morning… is quite a sick society.

So much for the "translator"!... And my apologies to the reader.
Well, then, you know what they Brits call "the birthplace" of "the Bard" better than I do. :)
Do you know that one of the greatest English writers was from Poland? Joseph Conrad.
And also one of the most important all-time anthropologist: Bronisław Malinowski.
In France, we had Frédéric Chopin, a genius composer.
I had the privilege to play on stage in a mashup of Stanisław Ignacy Witkiewicz. Some reaaally crazy plays, he wrote!
I have much admiration for the stage artists in Polland. They are commited! In France, compared to them, we are amateurs and sissies.
There are many people (and I am one of them) to think that Jerzy Grotowski was the most important stage director of the 20th Century!

See you around, Mounerje!
Oneirosopher wroteDisaster!!! I've mistaken myself with a "false-friend"! Where I have written:
That's to say that a society where even inside the closed doors of the family, people do not narrate their night-dreams to their relatives in the morning… is quite a sick society.
So much for the "translator"!... And my apologies to the reader.
What if somebody lives on his own, like myself ;-P.

But i know what you mean.. Apart from dreams i am strongly convinced that ghosts and stuff do exist and they come to us in the dreams...
Once i had situation where i went to sleep in a tent, basically in the woods quite far from city... I was bymyself with just trees around me... It was quite cold cuz it was like NOvember...
The only thing i heard when i closed my eyes was just sound of water flowing in some small stream and sometimes some birds sung... I also felt the temperature going down and down every few minutes, it was amazing...
So i fell asleep quite quickly at about 8:20pm... And then fuck... I heard somebody walking by the tent... I thought to myself damn pls let it be my one friend... Then few moments later somebody entered to the corridor of this tent, it's like tent with corridor 2 in one and was throwing empty spray cans at me and it was a man... It was really scary... Then i noticed my phone just by me the display was blinking all the time WHITE BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE BLACK... Then i suddenly started to scream to myself AAAA AAAAA AAAAA i suddenly stopped sleeping had to say to myslef like 3 times that nobody is here and everything is ok... I had goosehumbs on whole body lol...
I was scared to fall asleep again when i was there so i left asap and went home, and that was like midnight...
So i have slept for 4 hours, and fact is that there have been wars between french and english in the area where i stayed... In Victorian Times... Probably really bad stuff happened there and this person who came to me in the dream was some lost soul, like a demon who can't find peace...
I believe in such stuff... These days people are so hooked to material things though, spiritual world is disappearing quickly
@ Éric,

Thanks for the warm welcoming! And thanks for the link. Well I had somehow suspected that "Ob" could stand for OpenBox. (We are many to have run Openbox at some point of our desktop migrations during severe and buggy transitions between KDE3 & 4 or Gnome 2 & 3, or looking for better pasture...)

Shame on me: I had not elaborated though into thinking the A was for Arch, haha! (Although, it's elementary, dear Watson!)

I should have guessed "run" was for "runit" too. I'm running Void for a few days on my other computer, which starts via runit!

Well, though, maybe there IS a link between Obarun and Oberon. It's the magic, the charm in the delusional nightly (hence dark) woods of so-called FOSS. And 66 may be like Puck: a swift and diligent servant. Plus, when pronounced à la English, they sound very similar: one can hardly hear the difference between Obarun and Oberon.

Well keep up the good work Éric! And thanks again for the welcoming message! :)

Regards

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Hello Oneirosopher and welcome aboard the Obarun.

To niesamowity! Polacy, Francuzi, Anglicy i jeden pół Francuz, pół Polak na Obarun :)
@ Mounerje (& to anyone interested in dreams)

Basically, memory is information, and the paradox is that this in-form-ation doesn't need to be material. Or, at least, it dosn't need to be as solid as the tangible hardware stuff that surrounds us in everyday life. Hence your testimony is quite credible. Where very tragic episodes have taken place, the elements (the earth, the trees, the water) are "loaded" with particular vibrations. They have been printed, like paper with ink.

Now about your question -- and even if it's partly a joke.
What if somebody lives on his own, like myself ;-P.
I am a bachelor. This means I have nobody to narrate my dreams to. Except that on any today smartphone, you have a voice-recorder feature. That's what I do: I "capture" my dreams by speaking them to the recorder. Unless you do so, the dream, like a shy and wild animal, escapes into the woods of oblivion. It vanishes.
To remind one's dream is not something easy nowadays --there are so many distractions, so many solicitations, so many perceptual and informational inputs/outputs, as soon as you wake up. And it's even more difficult because, as I wrote before, our society is not inclined to prepare us to consider our dreams, in all meanings of the word consider. Consequently, we have to picture that remembering our dreams is as difficult and requires as much focus as... hunting, for instance. As I said, the dreams will otherwise fly away like feral or wild animals.

If you are a photography enthusiast and are sensitive to this comparision, we can compare dream-capturing with Cartier-Bresson's notion of "instant décisif". You have to shoot at the right moment if you want to get the right (and good) picture. It can be compared to the zen Japanese art of archery too -- by the way, same word: you shoot. :)

Dreaming is one of the rare links to magic that has been left to us, modern Westerners. And even this, "they" want to take it away from us. I don't pretend there's a precise "they". I'm not conspiracy-theoring: this global tendency doesn't follow the planned agenda of a few persons. But there's an emergent organization of dream amnesy.

It's quite an old story. Aristotle was already skeptikal regarding the meaning of dreams, even their very significance, in a very modern "rational" fashion. Later, Christianity had some very ambiguous relationship with dreams -- starting with Augustine of Hippo. Some of them were supposed to be inspired by the devil... Well, of course: they are nightly productions, devices of the dark powers! Curiously, Islam has a very healthier way to consider dreams, and the ancient oneirocritics of the Greeks has, in a way, survived in Muslim traditions, both Sunni & Shiia. Now, if you are Christian, do know that all Christian patristic was not against interpreting dreams. There is an awesome text (really worth reading) by Synesius, bishop of Ptolemais, on the matter of dreams. I don't know if it's easy to find in English or Polish translation. The title in Greek is "Περὶ Ἐνυπνίων" (Peri Enupnion): which translates "On Dreams". If you can read Greek, it may be easier to find the original text on the internet than its translation in English!

In this page, they only mention the latin title ("De insomniis"):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesius

Like with Magic, during your dreams, time and space distances are somehow abolished. That's how prophetic dreams can occur. That's how the dead can come and visit us and speak to us. We must not fear. That's just the way it is. It's normal. Obviously, it's not normal considered with "rational" glasses. But real "rationalism" (and I'm writing from Descartes's country) does not consist in considering that what we cannot (yet) explain just does not exist. Oxygen was already there before Lavoisier's works, wasn't it? Also, when an inspector investigates, he/she doesn't consider that just because the murder was an infringement to normal laws, it could just not happened...

And even to those that do NOT believe in magic, I want to say: All right, fair enough, you don't have to believe in anything "strange" or "fairy" or "fancy" or "supernatural". Just consider your dreams as a super-clever intimate diary. They are cognitive reasons to think so. When you sleep, your conscience is more connected to the whole of your being than it is when you are "awake" because your inner perception is not distracted by outwards vigilance and material purchases and pousuits. Hence, dreams occur when your conscience knows you better than your mind does when you're awake. Dreams do not cheat on you. They speak straight and true. It's just that they speak in a language we are not used to hear that much, nowadays, in our Western everyday life. But this strange language is not completely a foreign language either. It's the same language as in our ancient myths, in our children tales, in our artists masterworks. It's a language we had even before acquiring our mother speech. It's a symbolic language, at the same time very archaic and basic, and although quite elaborate and articulate. It speaks through images rather than words. It speaks "cinematics", like our feature movies (especially the silent movies).

We live at the same time in one of the worst areas of mankind (as to be sensitive to our dreams), and in one of the best periods: thanks to more than a full Century of movies and anime, we have the "graphical maturity" to appreciate our own "nightly-built" images!

(To be continued?...)

Regards
Bonjour Jean-Michel !

I don't speak Polish, but I reckon you're saying you are half Françouais and half Polak? :P

Thanks for the good welcoming! :)
https://neocities.org/

I haven't tried this myself but it sells itself as a better place than many listed in articles (top 10, top 20, best free blogs/websites)

I was taught early on the language where oneiro όνειρο comes from, but I like English better, it is simple and you can communicate with so many more people. I would have liked even better if I could have continued learning Spanish for the same reason. I despise Chinese for reasons of extreme symbolism, which is a dangerous derailment from understanding reality in its physical sense.

Since your friends push you back to where you belong, pre-capitalist Europe, have you read the conquest of bread? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Conqu%C3%AAte_du_pain

My friends call me a stalinist, but I am not, not even close, except for religious people, drug addicts/pushers, and outright fascists.
If you can't discuss things rationally then you belong in a gulag :) They say I am romanticizing medieval living, only genetically I have no traces back to the areas that this era was confined in. "Here", it was either Venetian rule, Ravenan rule, or Ottoman/Turkish empire rule. So not even my ancestors had the lack of living in relatively autonomous self governed ecological communities. Here is was all abusive exploitation and oppression for trade and military rule. Post-Roman Galatia should have been nice, which also explains my liking of Rory Gallagher's music.

Thank you for your compliments on my site of exposing you to this marvel, if I didn't believe on it I wouldn't recommended it as highly.
Neocities has this:

I am not a robot
choose pictures with buses
okay now you can register

what a lot of bollocks
Hi fungalnet!

Thanks for the good tip!

How stupid of me, isn't this the same neocities I did give a link to (about web-browsers) and you did link to (about web-mails), both of us quite recently? By the way, I have since read the page https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/email.html and it's quite scary... (Well, average scary for our times, but scary anyway.)

Well, even if I think I get your point about Chinese, I will disagree here. Every language has archaic and very symbolic imagery at its ground, whether the language has inflection properties or not, whether it's written with a small set of letters or with picto/ideograms --even sinologist do not quite agree if sinograms must be refered as pictograms or ideograms. They are... sinograms, period. Besides, this "extreme symbolism" you say (if any) has not kept the Chinese inventing the compass, the powder, printing (before Gutenberg), very elaborate mathematics* (although they didn't have the tool zero), maybe playing-cards (it's hard to locate exactly the origin of "naipes") and... the noodles (despite what Italians say!) Not too bad for irrealistic people! :P (I'm pulling your leg, you have not exactly said Chinese people are irealistic, you said something quite cleverer about a danger trend of their language. Nonetheless, they invented all this. See Joseph Needham's works.

* See a book called "The Nine Chapters".

Kropotkine (with a foreword by Élysée Reclus, my!), no, not read this yet. That's a shame, thank you for the reference. "La prise au tas!" I am a genuine anarchist, and a rather illiterate one! I have read quasi no classics of anarchism, even Bakunin! The only "classic anarchist" I've read of this period is a novelist: Georges Darien.
My friends call me a stalinist, but I am not, not even close, except for religious people, drug addicts/pushers...
Haha, yes, I recollect you posting recently on sysd-free "there is no room for apolitical flowerkids here [...] Go smoke weed elsewhere while chatting on gnome, we have work to do." It had me lough out loud hahaha!
If you can't discuss things rationally then you belong in a gulag
... or in a laogai!?! :P
"Here", it was either Venetian rule, Ravenan rule, or Ottoman/Turkish empire rule. So not even my ancestors had the lack of living in relatively autonomous self governed ecological communities. Here is was all abusive exploitation and oppression for trade and military rule. Post-Roman Galatia should have been nice, which also explains my liking of Rory Gallagher's music.
Do I understand right picturing you are in this (mysterious) place where "Keltai" from Britain, Brittany & Gauls got their name "Galatai"?
Thank you for your compliments on my site of exposing you to this marvel, if I didn't believe on it I wouldn't recommended it as highly.
Not sure what you are refering to, sorry. :( Is the marvel Void?

Oh and what is your native language?

See you soon, Fungalnet! :)
Earlier on, before 66, to show the silliness of "having" to run systemd to have a pretty desktop, I published some detailed instruction on how to convert archbased or manjaro installations to s6/obarun. Obarunization. At some point Eric helped out in how to remove the plague and install "the marvel" he called it s6-opts et.a;. :) So the term stuck with me.

More later, got to feed the "community" now.
I also like manjaro openbox edition very much... The one that comes with polybar n stuff...
This guy who maintains it told me on their manj forums that they got inspiration from arch labs for the looks, and they got it from bundsen labs which is debian based distro.

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